Posted by
Catmman on Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:42:16 AM
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Proudly. And this commenter thinks I'm an evil evangelical fundamentalist Christian science hater or something as well. According to this commenter below:
I'm wondering why you are bothering to argue against the fact of anthropogenic global warming. What is your point? Are you trying to allay your own concerns about a global disaster, or are you an evangelical who knows that's not the way the bible says the rapture should happen? Or are you just someone who does not bother to try to understand facts, unpleasant or not.
I have kids, but I'm not pretending about the harsh realities they may face in the future.
I have a feeling you don't think evolution is true either - am I right? If so, I realize there is no sense in trying to sway you other than to suggest that I am sure it is you who are wrong in the eyes of God.
This post may take awhile. I wish to address this commenter fully. Here we go...
I would say that at least I'm not a bigot such as yourself. Your automatic assumption as to my religious preferences, if any, gives this away. The post you were commenting on originally is
here. Nowhere in the body of my post, or in the material I referenced, is religion even mentioned. But as is true with all Leftists, you make automatic assumptions as well as NOT addressing ANY of the information included either in my post or in the referenced article.
You engaged in a direct attack upon me, not the info. Typical. While I will make fun of alarmists in my postings, I always include facts contrary to the alarmist position. Facts I might add that are never addressed by people such as yourself. Facts which clearly show the science isn't "settled" which is code for "we can't debate our position because there is no empirical evidence supporting it." So much for building a stool with one leg (CO2).
Now I argue against the "fact" of anthropogenic warming because it is not a fact at all. It is a theory. A theory which can be refuted and whose main tenet, CO2 being evil, has been debunked time and time again.
What proof do you have that CO2 is the main driving force in runaway global warming? There is none. And any you offer can be refuted as simply as this: There has been NO warming of the planet since 1998 - ten years. Average global temps have plateud and since at least January 2007, have dropped. What has this to do with CO2? During this entire decade of zero global temp increase, CO2 levels have continued to increase, and increase, and increase. This is not an assumption. It is not a theory. It is in fact, the truth.
I could stop there, but I won't. The whole notion of man-made (anthropogenic) climate change is absurd. If mankind were responsible for global temperature increases, how do you account for temperature fluctuations throughout the geological record of the planet? I could even ask how do you account for the concurrent temperature increases on other planets such as Mars? Temps on Mars are increasing during the same time frame they did on Earth. Is this simply a coincidence or is there perhaps another cause affecting both planets? Or is Mars populated by gas guzzling SUV's? Perhaps the Mars rover did it. Or maybe Bush?
And what about this sentence of yours: "Or are you just someone who does not bother to try to understand facts, unpleasant or not." A Freudian slip? Who is it exactly who isn't "trying to understand facts, unpleasant or not?" It's not me bub. I am more than willing to remain open minded when it comes to science than apparently you are. But again, this is a classic attack by Leftists - Projection.
I am a convenient outlet for you to unleash your pent up religious and political biases. It's cool. But your dog just ain't hunting this one so far is it?
Let's be frank. I don't give a rat's butt about your politics, your religious beliefs, or how you want to be a steward of the environment. It's your business. If you want to try and convince me your right, fine, I'll listen. But that's the big difference isn't it. You're not willing to listen, or even entertain, a different vision or version, especially one which is contrary. I've been wrong in my life before pal. The big difference between you and me is that when I'm wrong or make a mistake I'm willing to admit it. I'm willing to learn from that to improve myself. You can't be wrong on this because of the time and effort you've dedicated to it. If your wrong on this, you won't be able to recover. You are so reliant on others giving you your information and feeding you your beliefs, you'll never be strong enough to stand on your own. Your unwillingness to refute contrary science is proof. You're programmed to automatically respond by attack, not through reasoned debate. Your bigoted religious assumptions are proof. Of course this isn't surprising coming from someone who's primary faith is probably rooted in Leftism.
Show me anyone on your side of the argument willing to give any of my climate change postings the time of day. Ive never heard Al Gore say it was even possible he was wrong, it's settled. Everyone else who is an advocate mimics the party line. No one on your side embraces the scientific method, which to put it simply states that nothing is quite settled until it's proven to be so. Real climate change is not the issue. We live on a planet with a diverse system of regulation. It has been so for billions of years and will continue to be so long after we are gone. I will admit that. Your side won't. You can't. If you do, your house of cards falls.
Let's shift gears. I have children as well. Three. You also assume I don't want to leave my children, grandchildren, etc. a world we can live in. Another typical leftist assumption that only you who believe as you do have good intentions or a good heart, etc. I could say that I want to leave my children more than you do.
I want my children to live in a world where they have the liberty and freedom to live their lives as they wish, not as some government official or politcal advocate wants them to live. Or forces them to live. It's as simple as that. And I am not willing to sacrifice my liberty or freedom now based on some tremulous theory who's biggest selling point is a slide show created by a political hack.
I don't want my children to live the life of some third-world crap hole, all for the sake of the planet. If we forsake ourselves, then what good is the damn planet anyway. Perhaps you are one who believes humans are the problem. I don't know, but if you're not, by your remarks you sure lean that way. If that is the case, then why did you have children? Did you have kids before you realized the danger to Gaia? If that is the case, have you and your significant other sterilized yourselves? Have you sterilized your children? I ask this only half facetiously. Proponents of your side advocate this. Some have even done it (sterilized themselves). Humans are ostensibly the biggest producers of greenhouse gases (CO2) right? Our waste-fullness? Our consumption? Right? If you believe that, then your wrong again, and simple science (ever hear of volcanoes?) proves it.
Are you a subsistence farmer yourself? Or are you a typical liberal/leftist hypocrite? You obviously own a computer and are a user of electricity. How many cars do you own? I have two. Do you have your own home? If not, you live somewhere? What is your house made out of? Mud? Straw? Sticks? Have much gasoline have you used this month? Do you wear clothes? Do you eat? Do you have lights in your home? How many TV's do you have? How many gaming systems for your kids?
See how this works? You additionally assume that I do nothing to be a good steward of the environment. I use CFL's. I have Energy Star appliances. I have insulated my home. I've wrapped my water heater. My thermostat is set at the recommended temps (most of the time). I have a long commute to and from work; I drive five miles below the speed limt to save gasoline when i commute to work. I've spent thousands of dollars on landscaping: trees, grass, other flora and fauna. (I also sacrifice children while burning torches, but they cancel each other out so my carbon footprint doesn't get any bigger.) And I do all of these things, not for the good of the planet, but for the good of my wallet. To save money. These things also have the added benefit of saving/conserving electricity, fuel, energy, and help erase my so called "carbon footprint." And I do all of these things voluntarily as do most Americans. See how that works?
I don't want to have to scrape a living out of the dirt like those in the third world do. I've been to the third world; the Middle East, Central America, Asia. I don't want me or my family or anyone else to live like that. You, by extension of your belief set, do. Advocates for your side actually stump for it for goodness sake. If you want to live that way, go right ahead, that's your choice. If you want to bash capitalism, excoriate the West or America for our "selfish" lifestyles, hang up flags of Che in your living room - fine.
You live your life. But let me live mine for goodness sake. Get off my back. If you aren't willing to consider contrary science or opinion, your the one who's the denier. Your the one who isn't willing to look at the facts however "unpleasant".
Not me.
Bigot.
UPDATE (3:27 CST, 28 March 2008): After having this post placed in the Featured Items area of the Blogatorium, I re-read it and discovered numerous typos.
Sorry. You type something while your a bit perturbed, you re-read it and think you get all the typos, but alas...
Anyway, here are some links to some more inconvenient "non-facts" us deniers are so fond of. Feel free to read and pass these on as well:
If you can't win debate, baffle with bullflop; it seems denying Gorebaloney Warming isn't only relegated to homo-sapiens, but some of our technology as well as this post states,
Buoys deny Globull Warming, Satellites too (there is a great pic in this one); Even the UN can't hide from the truth anymore,
Alarmist Climate Change: On the run at last; and this post,
Global Warming cleared on Ice Shelf Collapse which got a lot of attention this week thanks to being linked from
Ace of Spades HQ (Ace, being awarded Blogger of the Year award at CPAC this year linked it
himself); and this is great info as well,
Current Cycle portends a Cooling. This link on the Goracle and how he makes his millions of dollars, partially on scaring the hell out of people with his alarmism,
Goracle awash in cash, Network tanks; This post on Hollywood continuing climate activism and ruining a classic sci-fi movie in the process,
The Day the Earth Stood for Carbon Credits (this post also containing a great photoshop); and from this past Sunday which started this weeks "denying",
Climate Alarmism is Bullshinola.
All of these posts containing absolutely
ZERO information, science or real scientists doncha know who refute
ANY part of the so-called anthropogenic global warming as touted by the Goracle and his acolytes. (I write the previous sentence because if you are a fervent global warming alarmist/believer you must deny
EVERYTHING in all of the linked articles and posts because the info clearly shows - the science is definitely NOT settled.)
Your welcome.
I'll ask this again:
Who again is denying what exactly?